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35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:19 pm

My 50 yard target using the 220 grain Speer bullet.

When i get my peep sight i`m going to try it at 100 yards.

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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Rem8&81 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:19 pm

You may feel some of those groups were terrible, but whatever game you were shooting at would have been laying in the dirt. That's really the point, although I understand the desire to find the most accurate combination and to hit the bullseye every time. Good shootin.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:24 pm

Thanks, i`m generally happy if i can get 3-4 in groups at 100 yards but that first group with the 81 was terrible.
And that`s the reason we reload, so we can squeeze a little more out of them. :)
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Re: 35 Rem range report

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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by texassako » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:03 pm

I am about to head out tomorrow to try my own .35 Rem M81 handloads since I decided it is going out with me during deer season. I have the benefit of a scope with this one to eliminate some human error. My poor eyesight makes me pretty bad with open sights, even with new glasses.

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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:28 pm

Anyone want to share some loads, some older loading data would be nice.
I`d like to see some loads using IMR-4198 and the 220 speer bullet.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Roger » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:10 pm

I'm sorry I can't help you. I've never loaded any thing with 4198. Should I be using it? All my best 35 rem. Loadings are w/BL-C2,3031,@ Leverevolution powder. Is it a fairly versatile powder? I do know that some of my older m-8 s like slower burning powders.But not in 35 rem.
I do load some. Speer180gr. Bullets,but I've never loaded any of their 220 gr bullets. I use BL-C2 w/ the 180 s
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:36 am

My neighbor came over this morn to see how his deer rifle was doing at 100 yards before season opens.

As long as he was shootin figured i might as well try my 81 at 100 yards with the 220 grain bullet.
I only shot once because i`m going to have to sight in the peep i bought, then i`ll shoot for a group.

The right hole is my shot. :D

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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Roger » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:13 pm

Good one shot group. I can't even see a target clearly anymore at 100 yds.Luckily for me deer are a little bigger than the average target. But they're no easier to hit.
Looks like you're on the right track with your loads. I'll ask again,is 4198 fairly versatile. I'm always looking for new powders to try out. Where's the burn rate ,say compared to 4064?
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:42 pm

Thanks Roger, IMR4198 is new to me also, i started using it for a 30-30 i bought and my 45-60.
I`ve used 3031 for years in my 45-70`s but am going to switch over to 4198 also.
I`m not familiar with 4064 or the burn rates between the two, maybe someone else will add to this discussion.
It was listed in a couple of reloading manuals so i started experimenting with it and have had very good results.
My 30-30 shot a 1 1/8th inch group at 100 yards with open sights.
My eyes are getting bad also, have a hard time focusing on the rear sight.
I`ve been going to peep sights on a couple guns trying to avoid going with a scope yet.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Sarge756 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:37 pm

Whoa!! Pitchy Trying out various powders for your 35 is great and arriving at the load that affords best accuracy and I would think minimal recoil should be the goal. For the 220 gr lead that you are throwing 4198 is not a good choice.4198 is a Fast burning powder and is at home with small rfle calibers with light jacketed bullets. Think of your big chunk of lead needing a slow push with progressive burning until the bullet exits the muzzle and you have described what 3031 does. The slowest burning powder dupont makes,4350 would also be suitable. You mentioned 4064.4064 is a fairly slow burning powder but is best at home in large military cases and is the go to powder for 7mm Mag and other Magnum cases.
Roger mentioned BLC-2 and it is a good versatile powder.4895 also is known as the most versatile and would work. My loading in the 35 Rem with 200 gr bullet is 37.5 gr BLC-2.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:20 pm

Sarge, not lead, 220 Speer JFN bullets.
If the load i`m loading groups at 100 yards as good as it did at 50 why would i want to change anything?

Also around here 4198 has been a favorite for use in 45-70 with heavy lead bullets.
I`ve had excellent results with it with my 45-60 also and 300 grain cast bullets.
In my 42nd addition Lyman manual one of the pet loads in 30-30 for deer is a 150 or 170 grain jacketed bullet and 4198.

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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by DWalt » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:09 pm

Optimum propellant choice depends greatly on the bore volume expansion ratio more so than the bullet weight. Larger bores usually do better with faster propellants, such as IMR 4198, which is a favorite in the .45-70. On the other end, it also works very well in the .223 Remington, and my most accurate .223 loads use 21 to 22 grains of IMR 4198 with 50-55 grain bullets. The order (greatest to least) of relative quickness of IMR propellants is 4227, 4198, 3031, 4895, 4064, 4320, 4350, and 4831. The difference in quickness between any adjacent pair is not great. Good performing .35 Rem loads can be made using 28-31 grains of IMR 4198 with heavier bullets.

Actually, about any propellant (except the very slow ones) can be used to make a workable load in most any rifle cartridge, even very fast pistol and shotgun propellants such as Bullseye, Red Dot, etc. In fact, a very common reduced load is 13 grains of Red Dot in almost any CF rifle cartridge and bullet weight (jacketed or lead) of .30 caliber or larger from .30-30 up. Velocities will be in the low to mid teens, accuracy is good at short range, and there have been many articles written about its use for plinking and short-range and small game hunting. It won't operate a gas or long recoil mechanism, but it's fine in bolt action and lever action rifles. My favorite plinking load for my Savage 99 in .303 Savage is a 110 grain .30 Carbine FMJ bullet and 13 grains of Red Dot. It's very accurate at 50 yards. The 13 grain load works especially well with cast lead bullets as it will give essentially black powder ballistic performance. And your powder cost per round is negligible, as a pound of Red Dot (or similar) will load over 500 rounds. And recoil is not much worse than shooting a .22.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:19 pm

Good performance .35 Rem loads can be made using 28-31 grains of IMR 4198 with heavier bullets.
Thank you Sir, my load is 28 grains with the 220 JFN, use at ones own risk of coarse. :)
I`m switching over to 4198 in all my rifle calibers which are 45-70,4560,and 30-30 at the moment.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Sarge756 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:16 pm

Would never argue with success. Looks like you have found the illusive allpurpose powder.If you are happy with it then load and shoot it. The accuracy looks real good and as I said before I may have to look into the Speer 220`s.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:24 am

Thanks Sarge, appreciate your input, i`m looking forward to getting my peep sight and trying it out at 100 yards.
Should be here tomorrow but of course it`s supposed to rain. :roll:
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Sarge756 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:48 pm

Pitchy, I came across this article the other night and thought it a good one to share as it tees with the discussion in this thread.It is a long read with the author testing and reporting on just about all the 35 bullets available including your 220 gr Speer. Sit back and enjoy. I will say that he and I agree on the 200gr Rem Core-Lokt bullets.His, from testing on wet phone books mine, from testing on deer.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:13 pm

Lot of good reading there Sarge, thanks.
I`m overall happy with the 220 Speer opinions and at this point will continue to use it.
When i ordered bullets Graft was out of the 200 grain Speer bullets or i probably would of gone with that.
But i`m having such good results with the 220 i can`t make any changes at this time.
I still have to see what kind of 100 yard groups i get in a few days. 8-) :)
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:45 am

Got the peep mounted today so gave it a try at 100 yards, think i can see the barrel sight just as good but it`s nice on there.
Pulled left on the first shot, not a bad group.
I like and will stick with that load for now, use at your own risk.

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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:49 am

Well heck i thought it was a fair group :roll:
Come on gents :)
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Sarge756 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:06 am

The sight looks great on there and you have the windage perfect. With the shots high at 100 you should be good to go out to 200/225 with no holdover. I`d be very satisfied to have that group with my scope mounted 81. You did good my friend.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:44 pm

Thanks Sarge, considering with the peep the front bead is blurry with my fading eyes i`m happy.
Using the other sight the rear sight is blurry, can`t win i guess.
But that`s good enough for deer hunting here in brush country where shots are seldom over 100 yards.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Roger » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:54 pm

Heck ,I can barely see the target at all at 100 yds.I think you did great. That loading should kill deer for sure.I think the peep site looks cool on your 81. I have quite a few m-8/81 s with tang peep sights and I really like them.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:02 pm

Thanks Roger, i`m going to have to get me an 8 someday too. :)
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Wildgoose » Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:51 am

Pitchy,
Thanks for your pictures and posts. I have enjoied them greatly. I plan on taking my M81 300 Savage out this next weekend for the firearm deer opener. Mine is set up with a tang peep as well. Its the only way my rapidly fading eyes can hanlde shooting open sights anymore. I tested my ability to hit a deer sized target out to 100 yards and that is going to be my limit. I did the shooting sitting with only one elbow rested just like I would in my tree stand just to be sure and get a good sight picture on where to hold. I will let the rest of the family worry about the longer shots. If it were not for hunting with my sons and grandkids I think I would hang it up and stick to punching paper on the range. Keep the posts coming on your activities and thoughts.
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Re: 35 Rem range report

Post by Pitchy » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:50 am

Thanks Wildgoose, that`s a good group and a nice rifle thanks for sharing 8-)
Our opener was today ,just came in but no luck, in fact bad luck.
Last evening i took a peek out in the field and there was 9 does and one basket buck grazing.
So before light i went out to a blind stand in the woods where they pass through and sat for a couple hours.
Didn`t see anything so decided to come in for breakfast, when i got to the edge of the woods and field there they all were and all i seen was white tails. :o
I imagine they were there all night and i have another stand on top of the sawmill right where they were but i`d never got to it without spooking them.
I think i`ll sit in a stand along the field this afternoon until dark and see if i get lucky.
Season is all messed up here this year, never drew a doe pirmit so it`s buck only. :roll:
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