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Found an old 81
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:57 am
by Wildgoose
Well I am about to take the plunge. I located an 81 in the caliber I wanted, 30 Rem. Its has some charactor and a few issues but the price was right. Going to take a few days to work out the over the net transaction but I should have some pictures in a week or so. And I am quite sure I will be coming here for advice and direction in getting her back in the field.
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:06 am
by 81police
Hope it all went well
Re: Found an old 81 (Up Dated)
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:59 pm
by Wildgoose
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:57 am
by imfuncity
Looks like a keeper - especially as you keep getting good news while checking it out.
As to the scope mount/scope, for these critters they are a bit of a challenge. The good news is that your mount looks to be fairly common, although I cannot see it clearly. I've seen several like that for sale at gunshows and on fleabay, perhaps even Weaver still carries them? I have a couple mounted and they work fine.
There are two basic issues regarding scopes and the 8/81: the obvious parallax, then there is the flying brass. The parallax is fairly simple for hole-punchers, pick a distance (100yds?) and "just sight it in"
... BUT if you are shooting longer or shorter distances (especially while hunting) then you have to compensate for the scope being off set from the barrel. I've never been hunting (Yet!) so I'm no help on how this affects minute of deer.
The ejecting brass adds more fun - depending upon your specific scope, (but usually for most scopes) the scope must be cocked 90 degrees to get the knobs/turrets out of the way of the ejecting brass. Obviously that makes adjusting elevation and windage during the "just sighting it in"
a bit more of a challenge - not being located in the normal position but it's doable and kind of fun. Again, for hole-punching it is just part of the game - on the other hand for hunting, it is one more thing to remember and compensate for.
Considering all of the other anomalies associated with scopes and these rifles, I've tried to stay with the KISS principle regarding a scope. A simple straight 4X (non variable) relatively inexpensive Weaver (or flavor of your choice) works well for these old eyes at 100yds and I still have the iron sights available for those days when I want some real excitment.
Hope this helps, enjoy your new tool (just ignore those who call it a "new toy" what does she know anyway?)
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:18 am
by Wildgoose
I think I have it just about as far apart as I am going to go on the reciever end. No broken parts or really badly worn ones. Just a lot of years worth of hardened gun oil and powder fouling mix just about every where inside. Some areas of very light rust mostly on the rear buffer spring housing that extends into the stock and other places that had contact with the wood. Butt stock is in good shape and has the matching serial number stamped on it inside the trigger guard tang cut out. I am not going to completely strip down the reciever or trigger/hammer plate as they are far enough along to be able to get all of the gunk washed out. The barrel and jacket assemby seems to be free and sound enough but I am a little hesitant to try and take it apart with out a spanner wrench to unscrew the bushing. Most likely I will at some point but I need to get the reciever done first. Darn good thing that my dealer just happened to have an old gunsmithing guide that had instructions and drawings in it for take down on the M8 and 81. He very kindly ran off a copy for me. Otherwise I would have been hard put to get as far as I have.
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:51 pm
by DWalt
A guy once told me the best way to use a side scope mount was to adjust the scope crosshairs so they are properly oriented when the rifle is canted to the right in a way to allow the scope to be vertically above the barrel. Sounds screwy, but I started shooting that way with my Swiss K31 with a side-mounted scope, and it does work well. But it's a little tough to get used to - Just like those gangbangers that hold their pistols sideways.
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:53 am
by 81police
Great replies to the OP's questions guys.
Wildgoose,
Your Weaver brand scope mount is one of the best for the 8/81's. If i'm not mistaken its base uses 6 mounting holes in the receiver. Hope she shoots as good as she looks!
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:23 am
by Wildgoose
81police wrote:Great replies to the OP's questions guys. Wildgoose, Your Weaver brand scope mount is was one of the best for the 8/81's. If i'm not mistaken its base uses 6 mounting holes in the receiver. Hope she shoots as good as she looks!
Sure enough it has the six hole mount base. Does anyone know if the current #48407 Weaver side mount base still offered for the Models 8/81 have the same or even partially matching (at least four of the six) screw hole pattern? The one that came on the rifle has one of the large ring mount screw holes stripped and it would be nice to just replace it instead of repairing it. I am going to do it one way or another but replacement would be nice.
Shooting is getting closer, I now have the dies and brass for .30 Rem on hand!
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 9:34 pm
by Wildgoose
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:40 pm
by imfuncity
Indeed, looks good. Mr Bubba!
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:47 pm
by 81police
very cool! All that is better than looking at a bunch of drilled receiver holes isn't it? Perfect scope choice too, that's a classic vintage setup.
You could always try and call Weaver, the model was a #4 and I think it also worked on the Krag rifle if I'm not mistaken.
Re: Found an old 81
Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:34 pm
by ctgodog
That is indeed the most sanitary scope installation I have seen for the rifle. I like that better than any I have seen. Good job, and good luck with your sighting and firing.
Clint