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FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:49 pm

I won a Remington model 81 at auction. Think it is an FBI model...

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by 81police » Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:14 am

dead ringer there CalFed. Congratulations! Would you mind sharing the serial number and we can add it into our FBI database?
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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by Rifleman » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:00 am

WOW, finally a new post! Thought maybe everyone had given up on the forum. Nice gun, have yet to see a FBI model or any other 8/81 model other than standard ones in person. Nice rifle to get, you plan on shooting? I misread your post at first and thought you indicated you had won the 81 possibly at some raffle drawing or such. Was going to ask if ya wanted to trade my firearm I won at a local gunshop appreciation day. Brand new 410 single shot shotgun. Would have paid postage both ways. :D :lol:

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by Fred » Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:18 pm

I think it looks good. Have you picked it up fromt eh FFL yet? Is this a collector or is it something you're going to shoot? What caliber?

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:37 am

81police wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:14 am
dead ringer there CalFed. Congratulations! Would you mind sharing the serial number and we can add it into our FBI database?
Thanks, Cam

I won this at an online auction and as soon as it arrives, I'll PM you the serial number. It will be interesting to see whether it has ever shown up in your records in the past.

My new rifle seems to have some interesting features...early style receiver markings, but the barrel notches of the later model. the regular sights have been installed, which makes me wonder if this originally came with the sight holes D&T'd, but with a sight blank installed. The front sight does not look correct either.

Some additional pics from the auction...

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:39 am

Rifleman wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:00 am
WOW, finally a new post! Thought maybe everyone had given up on the forum. Nice gun, have yet to see a FBI model or any other 8/81 model other than standard ones in person. Nice rifle to get, you plan on shooting? I misread your post at first and thought you indicated you had won the 81 possibly at some raffle drawing or such. Was going to ask if ya wanted to trade my firearm I won at a local gunshop appreciation day. Brand new 410 single shot shotgun. Would have paid postage both ways. :D :lol:
LOL...would you want some "boot" from me for that trade? :D
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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:43 am

Fred wrote:
Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:18 pm
I think it looks good. Have you picked it up fromt eh FFL yet? Is this a collector or is it something you're going to shoot? What caliber?
Thanks, Fred.

It is .30 Rem

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I got it at one of those 200 gun online auctions and it hasn't shipped yet. And then there is the California 10 day "cooling off" period after it arrives. I'll post clearer pictures when I have it in my hot little hands.

I have a "civilian" .30 Remington model 81 that I bought years ago and will probably continue to shoot that one, although I'm sure I'll put a few rounds downrange with the FBI model also.

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by Rifleman » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:24 am

Wow! Pictures show it to be in great shape. Na, I'd better keep that .410-something for grandsons to shoot. :D Ifin I'd trade ya, I'd have to go out and buy new dies, brass, and other caliber needs. Something I always tell myself for a reason not to buy a firearm in a caliber I don't already load for. Said same thing before buying Rem 81's in 300 Savage, 30/40 Krag, 9mm, and a few others. :D Got sticker shock when I went to buy some 410 shells. WOW, for a pint size shotshell, retailers aren't humble to get close to 12 guage pricing. Never had a 410, grew up, started with a H&R 16 gu single shot (mid 60's), then went to 12 gu pumps and autos later on. Went to large gunshow in home state this last weekend (Des Moines), hoped to see some 8/81's, nary a one. Look forward to further reports. Good find!

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by 81police » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:15 am

You've got a real treasure there, full of history. The FBI models went through quite a few transitions as testing & field use reports came back. Yours looks awesome.
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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:59 am

Thanks, 81 and Rifleman.

I'll post better pics when I pick it up from my FFL.

Since Remington apparently does not have (or does not share) purchase or shipping records, perhaps a different approach might work. There is a website devoted to the "olden days" of the FBI..."Faded Glory Dusty Roads of an FBI Era"

http://historicalgmen.squarespace.com/

Perhaps the FBI has some records of their Model 81 purchases.

Here is a letter to J Edgar Hoover from SAC Ralph Colvin requesting additional weapons, including "high power rifles", and Director Hoover's reply.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... letter.pdf

The website is treasure trove of old correspondence and might include some information about weapons purchases.

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:59 pm

One thing I'm interested in is finding out, if possible, what route these rifles took to get into the private market.

The FBI is not known for selling off their weapons to the public

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by 81police » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:14 am

CalFed wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:59 pm
One thing I'm interested in is finding out, if possible, what route these rifles took to get into the private market.

The FBI is not known for selling off their weapons to the public
good question, i'd love to know the answer :D
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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:41 pm

I got to my FFL and grabbed a few pictures of the rifle before it went into his safe for the 10 day cooling off period.

The barrel code appears to be NN O.

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and here is the FBI take down screw

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by Phyrbird » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:21 pm

Nice Pics. I have the takedown screw, the sights, a 30R rifle. Just not the FBI rifle. TTHHHPPPTTT :!: :(
Of course with the loss of the Remington records, documenting FBI rifles is near impossible.
I noticed from your photos the rifle appears to be one with the brazed barrel jacket. Thats a reliability plus.
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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:09 pm

Phyrbird wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:21 pm
Nice Pics. I have the takedown screw, the sights, a 30R rifle. Just not the FBI rifle. TTHHHPPPTTT :!: :(
Of course with the loss of the Remington records, documenting FBI rifles is near impossible.
I noticed from your photos the rifle appears to be one with the brazed barrel jacket. Thats a reliability plus.
Thanks, Phyrbird.

This has been a 10 year odyssey for me. I've run into FBI model 81's twice during that time, Price always ran too high for me.

In March 2014, I watched this one go for nearly 3K...
https://poulinantiques.hibid.com/lot/14 ... uto-rifle-

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Sometime later I watched this one go for $3600...
https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Milit ... n/26405161

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In ten years, those are the only two FBI models I ever saw. Until now.

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by Fred » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:19 am

Phyrbird wrote:I noticed from your photos the rifle appears to be one with the brazed barrel jacket.
How can you tell the jacket's brazed, from there being no pin in the yoke on the left-hand side?

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Re: FBI Model 81

Post by CalFed » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:38 am

The barrel jacket has the grooves used for the induction brazing.

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