1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

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Tachelberry
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1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by Tachelberry » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:32 pm

My 1927 Model 8 is not stripping the round from the magazine. My reload consists of spire point bullets with new brass crimped on the crimp groove. When loading 2 bullets into the magazine I am able to release the bolt and the first round feeds correctly. After the shot, the second round is not picked up from the magazine. The bolt does not close completely and the barrel also is not fully retracted because the tip of the second bullet which is still in the magazine is pushed under the barrel keeping the action open. Any suggestions? I appreciate any information I can get. Thanks

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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by Phyrbird » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:53 am

TklB,
A lighter load may not cycle the action all the way back. Our Ladies are recoil operated. Cleaning the action spring & tube, the recoil spring, & the buffer spring could help. If the barrel sleeve springs are not in correctly it could have an effect as well.
Sounds like a cycling problem, not a "broke" problem.
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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by chas1949 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:09 pm

Make sure the magazine spring is installed correctly, make sure open side of spring faces to the rear of magazine...

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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by Tachelberry » Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:56 pm

The load is a warm load 1.5 grains from a max load. The rifle has been taken down and thoroughly cleaned with the exception of the barrel assembly and the magazine. I will take the magazine apart and give it a good cleaning. What I found odd was the tip of the bullet was moved forward in the magazine. The barrel was not fully forward in the sleeve. The tip of the bullet was impeding the barrel from moving fully forward. The bullet tip was wedged between the forward part of the magazine and barrel as it was moving to the home position.

Thanks for your suggestions.

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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by chas1949 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:11 pm

Some times you have to work on the magazine a bit. Sounds like the round in the mag is pushed out before barrel has returned to battery and released the bolt carrier. Try gently bending the mag lips in a bit to hold round down. Make sure side springs are installed correctly also.

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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by kenhwind » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:50 pm

What you describe makes me wonder if your cartridge is too long. You mention a spire point, but not the caliber. We have rifles in four calibers, a .35, .30, .25, and a .300.
A spire point 150 grain FMJBT seems to be fine in the .300 Savage, but would be too long in the .30 Remington.

Using the Hornady 30-30 and 25-35 bullets my loads are a bit longer then factory when crimping on the cannelure, but work just fine. I've read reviews where using the Hornady bullet makes the round too long for the Remington pump, but the Speer bullet works.
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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by Tachelberry » Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:46 pm

The rifle is a 30 Rem. I think you are correct, the bullet when crimped on the crimp groove may be longer than the rifle design will alow. I purchased some RN bullets and will load some up when I get the chance. Thanks for the advice.

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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by Bandersnatch » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:25 am

2.525" is the correct length for 30 Rem. Hornady makes an FTX spire point for 30-30 the works well for 30 Rem. 32 grain of 3031 provides plenty of zip to work the action.
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Re: 1927 Model 8 problem cycling (Jam issue)

Post by Tachelberry » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:20 pm

It has been a while since I have had the opportunity to further investigate this issue. You guys were correct regarding the OAL of the cartridge. I reloaded several round nose bullets to an OAL of 2.525". The rifle functions flawlessly. Thanks for all of your fine advice. :D

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