Trigger frozen

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Trigger frozen

Post by dobletroble » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:12 pm

Shot my Model 8 this weekend, but not as much as I'd planned to.

After about 10 shots the trigger froze. It won't budge. Bolt seems to operate normally, and I can feel it through the trigger I assume vial interaction with the hammer.

It looks like I'll be taking this one apart. I'd hoped to avoid it, but I can get the most challenging Browning design back together (Colt 1903) and so am confident of success.

Anyone know what I broke? It'll be next week before I'm able to work on it.

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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by Sarge756 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:38 pm

Welcome, and we will be interested in what you find. Couple links below. First a primer with photos on the 8 and hope it assists you. Second on the colt 1903 that saved me from pulling my hair out.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/buster_ch ... il/?page=9


http://www.smithandwessonforums.com/for ... parts.html
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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by dobletroble » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:03 pm

Thanks for the help, Sarge!

Will report back when I figure it out.

I did (finally) take it down. I appears that the bolt may not be turning in its spiral broach.

It's in too nice of shape to whittle on with the wrong screwdrivers and so I'll have to wait!

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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by Phyrbird » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:46 pm

Chapman is the kind I use for most all smithing.
A few long bits from Brownells, and some reground Pachymar. The Pachymar are rather brittle.
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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by Sarge756 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:06 am

You can never have enough tools and proper screwdrivers are at the top of the list. Congratulate you on having good sense not to dive in until you have some correct ones. The fixed shaft sets from Grace and Forester are a good start at a reasonable price. The Magna tip sets from Brownell`s have served me well. The addition of a thin bit set to any of the brands is a good idea.
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Resolution! Re: Trigger frozen

Post by dobletroble » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:06 pm

The barrel catch spring broke right at the dimple that is wedged in the retaining recess.

After it broke it found its way into the hammer spring and wedged between it and the trigger - hence frozen trigger.

I suspect this isn't the first time this happened as the spring is shorter than what I see in pictures and when I tried to put a bit of a dimple on the end to fit in the recess I broke off another mm or so. I think it's too hard, or has somehow aged to become brittle.

I put it back in and all seems to work well - but for how long? I suspect I'll need a replacement. Are there any gunsmiths making these? I don't think it would be too hard with a piece of 0.003" spring steel strip 0.040" wide and a furnace. If I can find the material I might try it with and OA torch.

Thanks very much for the information and help. I sure love this rifle!
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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by Sarge756 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:06 pm

".......ain't many troubles that a man cain't fix
With seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."

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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by Phyrbird » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:46 pm

Sarge, that looks like a good one.
DTs :lol: if you can't find one I may have an extra spare. (Trade :?: :?: )
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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by dobletroble » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:23 pm

Thanks VERY much Sarge & Phyrbird. I swooped on the one that was on ebay so I think I'll be in good shape.

I don't have any spare Model 8/81 parts to trade (yet), but I'm up to my eyeballs in Mauser parts if you all find yourself in need of something there. I also have some Win 94 bits & pieces.

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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by Phyrbird » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:32 pm

You could see my recent WTT post. Also recently added a Schmidt-Rubin 31 in nice shape. Need a couple mags. I've parts from a Savage720 available too. No Bbl or wood just odds and ends
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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by dobletroble » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:26 pm

Don't have K31 magazines, but I believe I *do* have a couple charging clips if those are of interest...

Edit for shameless sharing of M8 picture. It's like having kids. You think everyone wants to see pictures of them.
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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by Phyrbird » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:49 pm

PICs :!: :!:
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Re: Trigger frozen

Post by 81police » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:19 am

HOT DOG!
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