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btinlin
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full mag only jam

Post by btinlin » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:16 pm

Hello fine folks!
I have a model 81 in .35 Rem. complete with Redfield peep and Marbles flip-up sights. Unfortunately, the magazine indicator spring was broken. My gunsmith said that the magazine was also slightly bent on top (the portion inside the receiver next to to mag. indicator spring). He repaired the distorted magazine as well. The gun functions perfectly with one, two, three, or four rounds in the magazine. With five cartridges loaded, the first round goes bang, then the next round jams. This happens every time with five rounds loaded. If I start out with four or less loaded in the mag., no problemo. Any ideas on my dilemma?

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by Wildgoose » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:15 pm

Hi btinlin,
Interesting question as it has come up before. I have a M81 in .300 Savage that I cannot load more than four rounds in. When I asked about this some of the listers responded that they too could not load more than four rounds as well. This was also noted by a few with the M81 in .35 Rem. One reported he could load five but the top round was always chambered when the bolt was closed. In my case I can't get any more than four in the mag. If I wanted five I would have to place the last round in the chamber push the four loaded down far enough to let the bolt go over them and close on the round in the chamber. Not a good idea in my opinon so I just go with four rounds. I realize this really doesn't answer what is going on with your gun but your not the only one out there who has had issues with five in the mag on the M81 in .300 Sav and .35 Rem. It should be interesting to see what others have to add on this.
Just for drill I checked with my M8 in .35 Rem and I can get five in the mag but the top round will always chamber on closing the bolt. I dont recall ever having any issue with jams with it though.

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by h.charlie » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:50 am

If the mag spring is put in facing the wrong direction it can lead to feeding problems, Don't know if this would cause your problem but that's where I would start.

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by btinlin » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:22 am

Thank you for your replies. I will take a look at the magazine spring this weekend.

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by 81police » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:43 pm

just a footnote to the great info the guys above posted: the magazine spring in period literature was almost always showed installed backwards. The ends of the spring should face the rear of the magazine.
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Re: full mag only jam

Post by Roger » Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:15 am

I'm no magazine expert,but in John Henwoods book most pictures which are vintage Remington literature,there are 4 rounds in the magazine . I do know that i have 35/300 savage rifles that will only accept 4 rds.I don't know if this has any thing to do with your issue, but in one quote in his book he does say that in the first early rifles in 35 Cal.,only held 4 rds.
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Re: full mag only jam

Post by 81police » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:39 am

great point Roger! Say if you were going to load the magazine via stripper clips you would not put 5 rounds in the clip but 4. The 35's & 300's only held 4.
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Re: full mag only jam

Post by btinlin » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:34 pm

Ok, I haven't taken a look at the orientation of the magazine spring yet... But to continue with the 4 or 5 capacity dilemma. I can physically fit 5 cartridges in the mag and the bolt closes properly. I can also fit 5 rounds into the original stripper clips I have. Should my Woodsmaster (circa 1942 mfg.) really only be 4 shot, even though 5 .35 Rem. rounds fit?

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by curtisc » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:49 am

It should hold 5 rounds in the mag before closing the action after closing it ahould have 4 in the mag and 1 in the chamber

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by btinlin » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:26 pm

Alrighty, it would appear that the magazine spring was installed backwards (ends toward muzzle). Now it's time to go test that baby...

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by 81police » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:06 pm

excellent! Hope it functions without flaw
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Re: full mag only jam

Post by retiredtroop66 » Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:26 pm

Last year I purchased a model 8 in 30 Remington in almost unfired condition. According to the barrel code, the gun was made about 1931-1932. I have the same problem as some of the rest of you do. Regardless of how I attempt to load the mag, either singly or with a stripper clip, the mag will hold only 4 rounds. The 5th round will almost enter the mag but is about 1/4" short. There doesn't seem to be any obstruction in the mag as the follower goes all the way to the bottom freely and bottoms out nicely, but 4 rounds seems to be the limit.
Does anyone know if this is a defect or were some of these guns just made to hold four?
It's not really causing any problems, I'd just like to find out one way or the other.
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Re: full mag only jam

Post by moses » Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:46 pm

My-model-8-35 will only-hold 4 in the mag.

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by ltrr1971 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:56 pm

Remington has always stated that the 35 Remington Model 8 will only hold 4 rounds in the magazine, not 5.

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Re: full mag only jam

Post by 35Rem » Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:51 am

if it works fine with 4+1, why push it?
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Re: full mag only jam

Post by Bandersnatch » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:01 pm

My 81 in .300 holds 4 in the mag, which, all things considered, is plenty for most chores.
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Re: full mag only jam

Post by retiredtroop66 » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:17 pm

Agree...actually my first thought: "Four works." More curious than anything. I'd heard the 35's and 300's held 4 but had always read and been told that the 30's, 25's, etc. would hold 5...was also wondering if perhaps someone had "plugged" the mag, so to speak like a modern repeating shotgun, but then this gun was made before "magazine restrictions." It's possible I may have the same problem the dude above had...mag spring in backwards. I haven't had time to take it apart to see. I guess that's the next step.
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